Many people aren’t burnt out because they hate their jobs — they’re burnt out because they’ve been postponing their lives.

This talk is for people who are working full-time, doing everything “right,” and quietly waiting for life to begin — after the next promotion, the next raise, or retirement. But what if the cost of waiting is higher than we think?

In this follow-up to 9–5 to Aligned, we’ll explore burnout that comes from deferred meaning, suppressed desire, and living on autopilot. Drawing inspiration from Die with Zero and grounded psychedelic integration work, this conversation looks at how clarity, purpose, and agency can begin now — without blowing up your life or burning bridges.

We’ll explore:

Why burnout often isn’t about work

The hidden cost of waiting to start living

How psychedelic experiences surface misalignment — and why integration matters

How to move from insight to meaningful, sustainable change

This is not a talk about quitting your job. It’s an invitation to reflect on what you’re saving your life for — and whether that tradeoff still makes sense.

Transcript:

GMT20260127-180438_Recording

Tue, Jan 27, 2026 4:08PM • 54:47

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Burnout, psychedelics, integration, emotional exhaustion, nervous system, stress, recovery, meaning, self-care, accountability, financial independence, movement, community, self-compassion, resilience.

SPEAKERS

Speaker 3, Speaker 4, Josh Jupiter, Speaker 5, Speaker 2, Speaker 1

Josh Jupiter  00:02

Cool. We got things recording. I'm going to go back to sharing my screen.

Josh Jupiter  00:20

I cool. Sorry for the delay. Thank you everyone for being here. Appreciate you all tuning in from your busy lives to listen in. So yeah. And if anytime during the talk, you know, we'll have a Q and A at the end, you know. And if anytime at during the talk, if you have a question, just please go ahead and pop it into the chat. We'll see what we get to so you know, the title of this talk is, don't die waiting burnout purpose and the cost of putting life on hold. So just a quick disclaimer, the information presented in this talk is intended for educational and informational purposes only does not constitute for medical, psychological, legal or therapeutic advice. While the topics discussed may relate to therapeutic practices, psychedelic substances and consent, none of the content should be interpreted as medical guidance or recommendations for medical treatment, diagnosis or legal action. Cool. So a little about me. If you're new to me, if you found this talk somewhere on the internet or in a group chat, my name is Josh Jupiter. I'm the founder of Brooklyn balance LLC. I'm a psychedelic integration coach, facilitator, consultant, entrepreneur. A little background on me is I worked in the film industry for a really long time, and before that, I suffered from debilitating panic attacks. And so for most of my 20s, I was on SSRIs. And you know, there is a theme here of burnout and psychedelics in this talk. And so for me, I had my first life changing psychedelic experience in 2003 I had some profound insights at that time, but what I didn't have was integration. I didn't know how to take those changes and make them, bring them into my life. Today, things are different. In 2016 I weaned off SSRIs and I began to explore psychedelics with my therapist and community members. And then about six years ago, I pushed pause from working the film production because I got burned out. Today, things are different for me. So in 2022 I founded Brooklyn balance LLC, and I've done a lot of different trainings. I've trained with maps, I trained with tam integration, and today I'm a full I'm a full time psychedelic integration service provider. My life today is also very different. You know, it's just there is, I would say there's more joy in my life today compared to how it used to be, and that was just working all the time, working like 6080, hours a week. So to get things started on the story of burnout, right? If, even if you're working 30 hours a week, that's a lot of time. Humans were not meant to be working in front of a computer, slaving away for a paycheck. We were really meant to live in tribe, and so what we're experiencing a lot today in society is a lot of exhaustion. But burnout isn't just exhaustion. It's the cost of living in a future that never arrives. So there's always going to be a carrot. We're always going to be chasing something. It could be your next promotion. It could be the next raise, the next milestone. I'll do it when things calm down. Maybe put a one in the chat, if any of that resonates with you. If that's something you've heard people say, or you're saying yourself, maybe you're waiting for a big bonus, or the company to get bought out by another company so you can cash out your stock options, just kicking the can down the road. The thing about the nervous system is it doesn't know that these things are temporary. The body experiences it as chronic delay. So just take a moment if it's safe for you, if you're in a place where you can take a breath and you can notice your body, and you can notice your energy right now, in this moment, you uh, just noticing not trying to fix, not trying to change anything, maybe putting a hand on your Heart and the other on your belly, and just notice

Josh Jupiter  06:06

and if you're open to it, you know, if you could share in the chat what might you be noticing right now, or even if you want to just unmute yourself and just share openly what's present for you.

Speaker 1  06:26

I can start, yeah, Hi, I'm Christina. I am touching the sense of like my scarcity mindset and how entrenched in binding that that feels in my body and I I forget and like lose touch, that that's how I exist a lot of the time.

Josh Jupiter  06:52

Thank you for sharing. Thanks. Anyone else? Can anyone else relate to that? In this moment, perhaps some scarcity. I

Speaker 2  07:11

can definitely relate to scarcity, but in this moment, it's actually kind of funny. I'm here kind of, I didn't think about this terminology until just now, but I kind of have cold feet with committing to starting my business and the things I want to do, and what I felt was my feet are actually cold just, I think it's more of a coincidence than an actual embodiment of my fear. But no, yeah, I feel actually pretty calm overall, and just relax and feeling my breath, which is nice to check in with the body.

Josh Jupiter  07:41

Yeah, thanks for sharing. Sounds like we're in some interesting places at the moment. Victor shares, I have OCPD, and there's an ever present feeling that there's something to do. I can relate to always feeling like there's something to do. So you know what is? What is burnout, actually. So burnout is not a motivation problem. Burnout is not laziness. Burnout is not weakness and it's not chronic imbalance. Research shows burnout correlates with prolonged stress, lack of recovery and loss of meaning, not lack of effort. Burnout is a state of emotional, physical and mental exhaustion caused by prolonged or excessive stress. Chronic stress exacerbates cortisol dysregulation and the nervous system staying in sympathetic dominance when that happens, I

Josh Jupiter  09:03

the nervous system doesn't understand that what you're experiencing is temporary. It only knows what's happening now, right? We could be thinking about the future. We could be thinking about the care we could be thinking about, Oh, it's going to get better, or I'm going to do it later, but in that moment of stress, your nervous system only knows that is happening,

Josh Jupiter  09:38

so fill in the blank silently. What are you rushing for these days?

Josh Jupiter  09:55

And if it feels good when it comes to you, maybe pop it. In the chat.

Josh Jupiter  10:08

Financial security.

Josh Jupiter  10:16

You know, some things that I might have said in the past were promotion, stability, when I retire, I'll do it stable client base. Yeah, right. So once I get so we're always moving towards something, and this is just how really, this is how life is, because there's always going to be another goal. There's always going to be another Ask. Your boss or your client is always going to have something that they want from you, there's always going to be another demand, and it's part of the system we're in. It's part of the life we're in. It's part of the society capitalism, the way careers for us are constructed. So we're in a system where the system doesn't have a stop button. The system never tells you to stop. It just wants you to go and go and go and go.

Josh Jupiter  11:41

So ask yourself in this moment, what are you postponing until later? What are you holding off on? What are you saying? I'll do tomorrow. I'll do it next year. I'll do it when I retire and when it feels good, pop it in the chat. Or,

Josh Jupiter  12:16

if someone's feeling brave, go ahead and unmute yourself and share.

12:31

I keep sharing, I would like to put energy into

Speaker 1  12:42

taking insights that I have kind of in a journal form, and to make them into writing that I feel like are as for an audience, and to share with others through coaching and a therapy business

Josh Jupiter  12:58

Got it. I'm curious if you're open to sharing, why have you been putting that off,

Speaker 1  13:08

feeling that I'm gonna get it wrong, that it will be it'll never be good enough. It won't, yeah, well, it won't meet my level of perfection and or people will criticize me for some of my word choices, or that I wasn't as culturally sensitive as I needed to be, or whatever the narrative is,

Josh Jupiter  13:31

yeah, yeah. I can relate the voice in my head telling me, oh, not quite ready. Or what will other people think, yeah, can anyone else relate? Does that resonate with anyone? Yeah? Yeah. So Christina, you're not alone. So there is a framework that really resonated with me in a book called die with zero by Bill Perkins, and it's very confronting because it's true. So there's the three life resources, there's health, there's money and just free time, and you never have all three in full abundance. So in our you know, adulthood of our 20s and 30s, we have more time likely in our 20s, we can take more risks. We can hop on a plane and go somewhere. We have a lot of energy. We can stay up all night. That stays with us, probably in our 30s, too. 40s. If these, it gets a little more balanced out. You see in this diagram here, you got some money, and you have time, and you have your health. As you get older, you probably have if you're working and you're working and you're saving your money, you have a lot more money and you have a lot more time, maybe you've retired, but your health's not as good. Tired or maybe overcome a overcame in a sickness or an illness, the body just is not as strong as it once was. So things are different, and there's an imbalance. I like to think as health as the master currency, without health. You know, it's like, what's the point of having money? So, you know, I'll tell you a brief story is, this is a photo of me at my computer doing payroll for a film production, and it was very typical for me to work 60 hours a week. It was, I was on call. It was like 7am check my emails, non stop emails, big and small film productions, traveling all around New York City, parts of the world, and then, like, you know, stop until I drop. And when I would finish your production, I'd be so exhausted. I didn't know what next to do, because I was just so exhausted. But what happened was my body forced me to have a conversation with it. I experienced some GI issues. I got very bad acid reflux. I had developed on and off an auto immune condition. And you know, I could just sense that my body was in a chronic state of stress, and furthermore, it was impacting my life. It was impacting my social life. It was impacting just everything, because my life was work, and I was just focused on the work, because I was focused on money, I was focused on power. I was focused on up leveling. I was focused on the next big thing, you know, and my body was like, bro, like, you gotta chill out. What I realized after a lot of that is I had been living on hold, so people don't usually see their to do list, and they may experience and feel grief for the time they postponed. What could I have been doing with my time, rather than just trying to work all the time and trying to make money, what could have been? What did I wish I do? What do I regret?

Josh Jupiter  18:41

So you know, the danger isn't the insight of these things, it's, it's just, it's what happens when people don't know how to respond to it. And so sometimes we see things in psychedelic experiences that give us insight into our life as to why we do what we do. Why am I feeling scarcity? Why do I feel like I'm going to stop when I'm making enough passive income. Why? You know, why am I dedicating my life to being a body worker where I'm giving so much body work to people that it's actually causing me to get injured and so psychedelics can sort of shine a mirror on these things,

Josh Jupiter  19:52

and we can get insight into how the same risk is not the same at every age. So when you're. Younger, the downside of risk is often low because you have time, you have resiliency, the ability to recover. If something doesn't work out, you can course correct, you can reload, you can try again. As we get older, the equation changes. The downside increases, physically, emotionally, energetically, too, but not because we're incapable, but because recovery costs more. So burnout happens often when people are still living as if they have infinite, infinite recovery time when they don't. So it's like, you know, let's say you were a raver when you were a teenager, and if you're living then you you're 50, and you're living your life, going out every night, raving like you were a teenager. You're not taking you're not recovering as much as you need to. So often when we're working a lot, we're getting stressed out, and we need to chill and rest and relax. So notice what risks you're still carrying, as if time were unlimited. You know, maybe it's like going out and drinking. Oh, I drank a lot last night. I'm really feeling it today. Maybe it's I, you know, partying too much, exercising too much. That's, that's a thing for me. I'll go, I'll exercise too much, and I'll start to really feel it the next day.

Josh Jupiter  21:46

So many people burn out, not because they're taking too many risks, but because they postponed all meaningful ones. They keep choosing the safe option, even when the safety no longer protects their health, curiosity or aliveness, right? So we're starting to wobble. We're pushing through. I gotta keep going. I gotta keep going. But the body's point in the body and the mind are pointing to all directions of slow down over time, the body feels mismatched. It's working too hard. It's doing what's expected, but we're not investing in experiences and growth or alignment. Psychedelic experiences often surface the truth very clearly, not as a command to quit, but as a question of, What am I waiting for? So what are you waiting for? Right? Maybe pop in the chat. It's like, what are you waiting for? What? Let's say you did have unlimited money. What are you postponing? Or is that what you're waiting for? Are you waiting for money? Are you waiting for the bonus? Are you waiting for the promotion? Are you just waiting for the right time, the right season? Are Jordan chairs, I honestly don't know what I'm waiting for anymore. I have zero valid excuses, but I still keep avoiding it. I'd love to share, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3  23:37

What he made me realize is that I keep thinking that someone outside of myself will know, like, the way or the exact that will support everything just expanding and so you also made me realize that, yeah, I don't like I have everything actually ready for me like I have resources in the sense of I'm working on all of my creative endeavors, and I have the content that I need, and I have my my own center, and I have my self love In a whole new way. So yeah, it's fascinating.

Josh Jupiter  24:23

Yeah, I'm happy to hear that. Thank you so much for sharing.

Josh Jupiter  24:31

Haley shares, I'm waiting until my art is good enough. Christina shares, reconnecting with my essence and the acting from an inner place that is the me of me, the self in ifs terms Karina, a feeling that it won't work out for me, or a feeling of being unsure of what the best decision is for me to pursue. Yeah, I. Yeah, I'm hearing a bit of a theme of inside, you know, inside our heads, the voice, as well as external factors as well. These are all really interesting things to for us to consider. And as we're considering them, we can consider what changes we want to make, right? So we don't need to do a whole dramatic life overhaul, right? We can be wise and we can work with what we have. We can adjust course and go slow while there's room to gently do so. So, you know, it's like, all right, I'm burned out. I'm going to quit my job. Well, you know, that's a big overhaul, right? But how can you make some small changes in between to reclaim your time, your health, your sense of agency, rather than deferring everything to retirement? Or someday, I'll do it. Someday I'll be good enough, or someday, I'll write that book. Someday, I'll climb that mountain. The nervous system doesn't need guarantees. It needs movement, honesty, in a sense that life is not completely on hold. The more we feel like we're on hold. I'll do it later. The more confused the nervous system gets.

Josh Jupiter  26:51

So what risks have you postponed and what has that cost you? Maybe it's recently, or maybe it's in the past. Just invite you to take a moment for that.

Josh Jupiter  27:23

You know, and if it feels good to you, you can pop it in the chat. Or, you know, I've been really enjoying hearing voices on this talk. Usually, people tend to be pretty quiet, shy. So what might you have been postponing, and what has that cost you asking someone out, right? Okay, so it's like, Hey, I have a crush on this person. I want to go out with them. I didn't ask them out. I'll never know. It's the same thing you were in. We were in a holding pattern, hesitation, confusion, I don't know. I don't know. And how good do you think it will feel just to have gotten an answer and known, and how good it would have even gotten felt to get rejected, because you'd feel proud of yourself for asking the question, making the ask, making the request, missed out on fun, sharing in new moments with someone, or just knowing that I took the leap. I think I postponed making real friends in college that has cost me a sense of being known by intimate companions who have witnessed me grow and vice versa. Yeah, friendship, right. So it's not just like work, it's not money, it's not vacation, it's our social lives too. And can we get we can get burned out in our social lives. Am I postponing ending this relationship? Am I giving too much in this relationship? Is it draining my energy?

Josh Jupiter  29:27

You know what? So when it comes to integration, it's a good question I like to ask is, what needs more care now?

Josh Jupiter  29:42

What can't be postponed anymore, you know, so maybe you did a lot of breath work the other week and you had a vision of something, or maybe you had a mushroom experience. Or. And the mushrooms gave you some insight, and you came out. And maybe there's some confusion, maybe there's some seeking. Maybe it's I don't need to seek anymore. So what's the balance for that.

Josh Jupiter  30:29

Karina shares, from before, postpone, starting making some sort of way of making money remotely on my own, and had I started months ago, who knows where I would have been. And so with these things, right what needs more care right now? So if you do want the next time you see someone, you do want to ask them out, or the next time you talk with your supervisor, your boss, and you want to set some boundaries about how to have better conditions at work. What's present for you?

Josh Jupiter  31:17

You can pop it in the chat or unmute yourself.

Josh Jupiter  31:36

Simply put it's, where do you need to put more attention right now?

Josh Jupiter  31:58

Where is your energy going? Where is it being restored, right? So when you give energy, let's say you're doing body work, you're giving and you're giving the end of the day, how are you restoring your energy? How are you giving back to yourself? Or let's say you know you're running a household, taking care of everyone in the household. How are you restoring your energy? How do you make time and space for yourself?

Josh Jupiter  32:39

And if you notice that you're giving and you're giving and you're going and you're going and you're not stopping. What is this pace costing you?

Josh Jupiter  32:57

Your body? Relationships, joy, curiosity. You know, overall health, right for me, I was getting acid reflux, auto immune condition, lack of social life.

Josh Jupiter  33:24

And so just you know, sitting with this for yourself, because uncomfortable silence can be I will. I could not uncomfortable silence, but I could say silence can be uncomfortable for people, and asking these questions can be tough for people, because it brings up a lot.

Josh Jupiter  33:49

And so what are you saving your life for? If you're doing this now, what are you hoping to do later? And if you can do more of that now, rather than later, how can you balance that out? Haley, shares, I feel like I missed out on my 20s. I just turned 29 and in missing some of the things I thought I would have by now, mostly a rich network of friends. Yeah,

Josh Jupiter  34:35

friendship, community experiences, doing things together, congregating, gathering,

Speaker 1  34:46

just being still with myself too. I think really a lot of value and alone time for me.

Josh Jupiter  34:52

Say that again, please. Oh,

34:54

stillness and alone time, right?

Josh Jupiter  34:58

Stillness and alone time. Because we're just so busy and we're always doing things for people. So how can we have more stillness and more alone time? So you don't need to burn it down? Right? I'm always saying you don't need to burn it down. Don't quit your job. Small changes, count. Rebalancing is subtle, not dramatic, right? If you move to a new city, same thing is probably just going to happen, because it's what we change inside of us, where we are, and if we just go and we start over again, new city or new job, we don't change some things, we don't learn some things. We can get caught in the same spiral pattern. Things will be different, and there can be similar feelings, right? So, you know, the clock is ticking, right? Like every day we're getting closer to death, but it's not, it's not a threat. It's like, Ah, it's, it's an invitation. It's an invitation to live now, to be present, to now, and to plan wisely and to adjust gently, because things are different for everybody. It's it becomes very situational. And so, you know, this is the last, this is the second, the last slide on this talk. And it's not like, you know, I didn't plan on finishing this talk with a solution, because the solution is different for everybody. My intention with this was bringing awareness to burnout, because I I was burned out, and I still do get burned out sometimes, and I need to come back to center, and I need to come back to stillness. I need to say, Okay, I'm feeling burned out this week. What happened? I didn't get enough sleep. I exercised too much. I went out too many nights. I worked too much. I was giving too much. I was holding space too much. Okay, well, you know, this went up and that went down. And how can I just learn to have a little bit more stillness, more stability, in that sense, more balance. And as things change in time, you know they'll change for us too. So, you know, we have some time for Q and A. I'm very curious to hear what people think. This is a topic I could talk a lot about, but I wanted to keep it short and sweet so we all don't get fatigued and burned out. So thank you very much for attending. And yeah, we'll open up to some questions here.

Speaker 1  38:49

I'll start. It's Christina. Thank you so much, Josh. This is really cool to see this presentation, and brings together like I was really intrigued by the combination of psychedelic medicine and the journey with psychedelics for healing, paired with my journey on financial independence. And I don't see many people talking about the intersection of those two things. And so it's really it was cool to weave some of those threads together and see how you do that here, I wanted to ask you more about nervous system regulation, or I would love to maybe just even hear your story about identifying some healing for your body when you were dealing with those conditions, and what that what that process looked like as you learn more about how your body responds to emotional work, and you know, reducing your mind and your how your body responded to your mind and your emotion and what work that you did on that prep. Okay, yes,

Josh Jupiter  40:03

great question. And in short, you know, to touch upon this concisely, because it's a story. But you know for me, I was very numb for a very long time. I was not feeling my emotions, I was not processing like anything I like, was just sort of, I was just walking around. I was just the body. And what really helped me get more in my body was a combination of things. The big one was really movement dancing, and because dancing stimulates the body, dancing regulates the nervous system. And dancing in community, Dancing with the same people was a big thing for me in my healing journey. So once or twice a week here in New York City or wherever I am in the world, I go to five rhythms, and it's a guided meditation movement class. And it's a community, and there is a spiritual element to where one can pray and one can connect with the divine. And so these things help, like percolate, percolate things for me, and got me to really look at things differently. And once I was able to really look at things differently, it opened up a door for me, and once that door was open. I could go to the next thing, and I could go to the next thing, and so I'm in movement and I can, I was able to take stepping stones to get me into the next chapter season of my life. Psychedelics, similarly and psychedelics can really help, you know, allow people to process their emotions. And when they're able to process emotions, they can get in their body and have very deep, powerful, somatic experiences. And the body will vibrate, the body will shake, the body will move, and the body will also release. And so when the body releases, I feel lighter. I feel more levity, I feel more joy. I feel more laughter. When I have more levity, more joy, more laughter. I'm lighter, and I can keep going with that energy, and that energy brings me up, as opposed to the opposite of being stuck and weighted down. I'm gonna pause there. Does that sort of shine a light this, that this is something I could talk a lot about.

Speaker 1  43:25

Yeah, it was great to hear about the dancing and and more about how you see the connection between psychedelics and emotions in the body. So yeah, thank you so much.

Josh Jupiter  43:35

Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you for your curiosity, and thank you for being here. You Who else?

Speaker 2  44:06

Yeah, go for it. Jordan, Hey, Josh, excuse me. Yeah. I don't know if it's a question per se, I guess just kind of my situation, and if you got any reflections on it, but it's almost like, so like, I know what I need to do and what I'm avoiding and what it's costing me, part of me does and and then when it comes to the moments to do the things, it's just like, you know, whatever is driving me, I just end up not doing what I know I'm supposed to do. So, I mean, and the reflection questions are always great, but it's like, like, I know the answers to all of them, and it's almost like watching a train wreck. Sometimes I say, like, when I'm when, especially in the moment, like, I'm sometimes I'll become aware in the moment that I'm like, I'm choosing the choice that's not for my best and my highest good, you know, towards this, this goal, like, like, going to bed early on time, like, and so, like, I say it's like watching a train wreck because it's like, I'm watching like, it feels like I can't do anything about it, because I'm. Literally aware in the moment, and some part of me is choosing to just so, yeah, I don't know it's, it's, it's weird, but yeah, that's kind of where I'm at.

Josh Jupiter  45:13

You know, what comes to my mind is, how do you keep yourself accountable?

Speaker 2  45:26

I think that's a big part of I'm I don't know. I don't know how to do that. Honestly, I don't have a good system for that. I haven't been able to figure it out. And when you were talking about the cost of not doing things, one of the biggest ones that came up for me is like losing trust in yourself, and I feel like I'm in a really bad spot with that. Because, again, like, I know, like, I'll plan to do things, and I'll plan my whole day, and I know that that's, you know, what's going to be best for me, and at least a lot of them, and then there's just, like, I just end up disregarding it, or this other part takes over the end of the day when I'm tired, and I just end up impulsively doing, you know, just being impulsive and random, rather than sticking to like the plan kind of thing. And I think I lost, lost my train of thought, there a little bit, but, but, yeah, just just like, well, losing trust in yourself, and that makes it hard to like, who's keeping who accountable, you know, like within myself, like, which part of me which, if I already know that that part of me is going to ignore the part of me that wants what's best for me. And there's this weird so I feel like a big part of my work right now is like, integrating these parts or getting them, like, in an ifs way, like figuring out the different needs of these different aspects. But so I don't know that little bit of a different topic. But, yeah,

Josh Jupiter  46:50

well, you know, thank you. You know this, there's a lot here, and you know, I don't, you know, I don't know the full situation, the full scope of things, but, yeah, trust in self is is important, and there will definitely be times in life where we lose trust in ourselves. And it's, you know, I'll ask myself when it's like, oh my god. Like, why did I do that? Like, well, how can I come back to myself, and how can I care for myself? A technique that I do for myself is, I call it deep self care mode, where it's just, I'm going to the spa, just chilling. I'm gonna I'm turning off my phone, no computer. I'm taking a hike, going to the beach, just doing nothing, watching the ray, the waves come and go, so that I can just disconnect and come back to myself, and also notice where was or is my energy enmeshed, because it's easy, especially today, with allowing our energy to get enmeshed in other things. So the mind might keep thinking about something in the news. The mind keep might keep thinking about that Facebook post that you saw, that Instagram post, and so it's hooked in the mind. So how do I get unhooked by that? And so it's for me. It's caring for myself and slowing down, all right? I'm noticing. I'm noticing I'm not balanced right now, I'm not stable, and I want to slow down, and I want to come back to center. And what do I need to do that too? So, you know that's, there's, there's a lot with what you're sharing. And I think, I think you purchased the ticket. Where we where we have a drop in. So we can certainly talk more about it there, and we can see but the main thing I'm also I'm thinking hearing is self care, accountability slowing down, especially with anything impulsive, too.

Speaker 2  49:41

Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. No, we can definitely get more into it. I want to. I know there's a lot there for sure. So yeah, but yeah, thank you. Yeah.

Josh Jupiter  49:52

Thanks for sharing. Tim.

Speaker 4  50:00

Oh, sorry, yeah, I have my husband's name. Yeah, this is Nikki. I wanted to say thanks to Jordan for bringing up his share, because it just made me think like something that came to my mind too, that I think is a resistance point for me when I felt that way, is sometimes I think, to your standpoint, Josh about the self care is just like not having that radical self love for yourself, where you're not trying to get yourself to do things because you should do them, or there's like that kind of like harsh critic or parent that's like, Oh, you gotta do this. This is good for you, which I think a lot of times we've been raised without kind of like, harsher voice, and that always brings up resistance in my own being when I feel like I should be doing something, okay, this is the right thing to do. This is what's good for me. And then there's just, like, this rebelliousness in a way, of like, No, I don't feel like doing it. I don't I don't want to do it. But if I kind of reframe it as, like, how do I give myself more love and self care? So, like, going to sleep early is not like this parent thing you should be doing this like, it's going to be so much better for you, but it's like, my way of giving myself this sense of, like, I deserve to just rest and, like, lay in bed and just, you know, like, give myself that, that sense of, kind of, like a self compassion, you know, and I'm not doing it because it's the right thing to do. It's good for me, yada yada. But I'm doing it because, because I care for myself, and I deserve it, and I deserve to just, you know, not do anything for the for the day, because I just need to rest, or I just need to chill. I don't know that always helps me as a sense of a reframe about the things that I know you know I should be doing are good for me. It's a perspective shift, I guess so. Anyways, yeah, thanks for bringing that up, Jordan and also Joshua for the conversation.

Speaker 2  52:01

Yeah, I'll just say, Daniel, thank you for bringing that up. And it's funny. That's definitely something I've been working on. And it really is, like, even when Josh was talking, I'm thinking, being reminded of, it's very much this, like, child parent relationship internally, it's very interesting. And I've even been learning how to deal with myself by like, like, I live with my best friend now, and he has a single father. So like, watching an actual parent child relationship and then applying that to my own inner parent child. It's so yeah, and it absolutely is, like, you're right, like, you know, being kinder, rather than, like, yelling at that, you know, part of you, and that's what a lot you get mad at yourself, or that doesn't help. It just makes you feel worse and makes that like little inner child, you know, want to run away and hide even more. So, yeah, just being more loving and like showing them and convinced and like, be like, this is, you know, we're doing this for, you know, for the better of this other thing so, but it's, it's crazy, but, yeah, thank you for bringing that up as well. Absolutely, it's hard to do, it's hard to remember to do it a lot of the time. That's, that's the challenging part.

Speaker 4  53:06

Totally, totally, yeah, I feel like, especially when our voices haven't always been like, you know, the kind compassionate, you know, that's what we have. We haven't been programmed with that because maybe we didn't have that as children, or we had more of the TOUGH COACH, the tough parent. And so then we have to re, you know, it takes a lot of work to re, bring in the gentle, compassionate voice, yeah,

Speaker 2  53:28

yep, yep, yeah, that's absolutely the journey I'm on. So, yeah.

Josh Jupiter  53:37

Well, thanks, yeah. Well, thank you everyone for your questions and for attending today. Yeah, this is a topic that you know I feel very strongly about, and I'm glad you all came and look forward to seeing you all the next one.

Speaker 5  54:05

Thank you so much, Josh, thank you for bringing this up. You put a word to what I've been dealing with. I was like, Oh, I didn't realize it was burnout. And when you shared walking around with like, no feeling, that also resonated, because I've been feeling so numb after feeling so excited about all these things now I'm just like, I just don't even know. So thank you for sharing that and for providing the space.

Josh Jupiter  54:34

Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you so much as well.

54:40

Thank you. Take care.

Josh Jupiter  54:42

Take care. Y'all, bye, bye.